So awhile back I mentioned that there were some things about powerlifting that I disliked.
Don’t get me wrong, I still love being strong and pushing heavy weight in the gym, and I also admire powerlifters just the same. I have not “given up” on it or left it completely.
I just want to touch base about several things that set me off about it. Keep in mind, these are words coming out of the mouth of a powerlifter, not someone who has never competed.
Reason #1: They can’t decide on a definite set of rules.
Powerlifting, in my opinion, is not a sport. Well…it is a sport I suppose, but not really. If you take a sport like Football, Baseball, or Basketball, you’d see that across the board there is a certain standard that they go by. The rules don’t vary depending on which State you’re playing in. If you make a foul, it’s a foul. If you miss the ball, it’s a strike. Three strikes and you’re out. That sort of thing.
But with powerlifting, it seems that there is so much rivalry between federations, and instead of there being set rules that are followed by every federation, there are different variations.
For example, you can compete with one organization, where they will want to see you squat three inches below parallel for it to pass. But if you compete with another, they may only require that you hit parallel. Some feds will allow you to bench with your heels off the ground, creating more room for you to have a bigger bench arch. Some feds will have you place your feet flat. Some feds will give you red lights for rolling the bar up your legs with a deadlift, and other feds will pass the lift.
So what’s right and what’s wrong? Nothing really. Neither one is necessarily “better” than the other, but I would prefer that they could decide on some rules, and stick to them. Either they all squat 3” below parallel, or they don’t. But don’t have different standards just because it’s a different federation. A sport needs specific rules.
Reason #2: Supportive suits.
I hate geared lifting. There, I said it.
I think it’s silly, useless, and not impressive in the least. Would this mean that I thought Andy Bolton’s deadlift was unimpressive? In a way. That’s not to say that I can deadlift 1000 lbs, but bear with me here for a minute.
Powerlifting should be about how much raw strength you possess. In the old days when they held strength competitions, it was about how much weight you could lift, and how much stronger you were than the next guy. But they didn’t wear ridiculous supportive suits that took more than one person just to put on.
I will always prefer Benny Magnusson’s strength over Andy Bolton’s. Not only did he beat Andy Bolton’s record, he did it RAW. Now THAT is true strength.
I’m not trying to say that Andy Bolton isn’t strong, but his lifts would be far more impressive to me if they were done raw. That’s all.
In my opinion, wearing a supportive suit to help you lift weight is not something I’m interested in. It’s boring. It’s not exciting at all. I would much rather see someone squat down to the ground with 700 lbs. then watch someone squeeze into a suit and knee wraps, waddle over to the squat rack, get into sumo stance and squat 1000 lbs. down for a couple inches. It just isn’t thrilling.
I like raw strength. Raw power. I don’t give a fuck if you take steroids, just stay away from supportive clothing, because it’s not portraying true strength, it looks ridiculous, and it’s pointless.
Reason #3: Benching sucks.
And not just because I’m terrible at it.
I’ve never been a fan of bench press, regardless of how much I could do. Of course, it’s the best-known exercise in the world, and if anyone hears you lift weights, the first question to come up is:
“How much do you bench?”
In my opinion, the movement is not a true test of upper body strength and power. It’s really not that great for your shoulders, and in the world of powerlifting, it’s hardly even a bench press anymore.
EDIT: So you all know, I do still do some benching, but mostly close-grip and some medium grip with low volume, or speed work.
Reverting back to what I said about different federations and their benching policies, the allowance of this to pass as a “bench press” absolutely disgusts me:
Enough said.
Reason #4: The whole mindset of “It’s only about moving the weight”
Sure. I mean, I can’t argue that this IS the point of powerlifting. Move the heaviest weight possible in whatever way you can while staying within the rules.
But I think that should be rephrased to:
Move the heaviest amount of weight possible in any way necessary, with as little ROM as possible while still staying within the rules.
It gives guys an excuse to build a huge gut to shed 4″ off their bench ROM. It also gives people an excuse to use terrible form to lift a weight.
As much as I love weightlifting, if I’m putting my health in jeopardy by the way I’m lifting something, I’m just going to use a lighter weight. Does that make me a pussy? Maybe. But the crap I’ve seen pulled is just awful. I wonder how these people live past 35 without tearing every muscle in their body.
There’s a difference between rounding your back slightly with a max attempt deadlift, and turning into the McDonald’s M symbol when you’re picking it up. There’s a difference between a squat with forward lean, and doing a good-morning to get the weight when you’re in the hole.
Maybe I’m not a “true powerlifter” then, but I’d rather not break my back over 10 extra lbs. on my deadlift. It just isn’t worth it.
The body swinging made me cringe:
What I like about Olympic Lifting, is that it’s so technical that there are no real “short cuts” to the movement. You can’t limit the ROM for a snatch or a CNJ.
Reason #5: Bias judging and exceptions
Maybe I’m just bitter about the last meet I attended. I won’t say names, but I have seen the judges pass lifts that should have never been passed. Ridiculous stuff.
I’m not sure if other people have experienced this at meets, but this is something I was not happy with. I have seen it done in other meets I’ve watched as well.
I’m not even going to blame the lifter there. I’m blaming the judges. It’s the judge’s job to inform the lifter of whether or not his lift passed. So if the squatter squats high and passes, it’s not the competitor’s fault. He was under the impression it was a good lift, when in the reality, it came quite short.
There should be no cutting slack. I was shown no mercy at my first meet, and I would have hated it if they would have let things slide, because that would have taught me nothing.
Now THIS is a squat:
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To be quite honest, I guess that’s all I really dislike about it. In which case, it’s not powerlifting itself that I don’t like, it’s aspects of the competition that I don’t like.
Kind of like figure and bodybuilding. I don’t dislike the training for it, but there are countless things I dislike about the politics, judging, competition, etc.
So this post is NOT to say that I will never compete in powerlifting again. I probably will, because it is fun. That doesn’t mean I have to like everything about it.
I want to be a powerlifter AND be athletic. I want to have good levels of overall fitness, instead of only focusing on one thing. I want to be fast, explosive, strong, and look good. To achieve this, I have to keep my training varied.
And I guess just being really strong is more important to me than competing.
I’m okay with that.

Great post, as always. I have one question and one comment.
Question: Do you have any citations or further information on what about the bench is terrible for your shoulders? It seems like a natural movement to me bio-mechanically.
Comment: The video you use to illustrate the idiocy of the bench press rules; if I recall correctly, that lifter himself did it for the very reason you are writing about; to show just how stupid the rules and lack thereof are.
Thanks for the post.
Benching isn’t a natural position for your shoulders to be in IMO. I think the main issue here is that the bar-to-chest bench press causes the shoulder to move beyond its normal range of motion, putting more stress on the glenohumeral (shoulder) joint. Plus wide-grip benching too often is just asking for trouble if you have shoulder concerns.
I’m pretty sure even Rippetoe suggests not benching with shoulder irritation or injury.
More often than not a lot of shoulder irritation comes from benching. Perhaps this has something to do with form, but who knows. I used correct form for my bench presses and still injured my shoulder so it makes me suspicious.
My inflamed rotator cuff healed from cutting benching out of my program and focusing on overhead presses, floor presses, and DB incline presses.
I’m sure those who have injured their shoulders due to benching would be able to chime in here too. I’m sorry I don’t have any further citations or anything, it’s just my opinion.
If it isn’t broken don’t fix it though. If you have no issues benching, by all means go ahead. I know that me and benching don’t do so well together. (Unless it is very close-grip benching, which doesn’t seem to bug my shoulder)
I don’t recall hearing anything about that lifter doing that to illustrate a point.
I apologize, that wasn’t the video I thought it was. There was a similar lift by a male lifter that was put on Reddit a while ago with a chap with similar form who had done it just to see if it would be considered legal in competition. My bad.
Strangely enough I had the opposite problem; I damaged my rotator and had to stop doing overhead press, but the bench is still going. The shoulder is just ridiculously susceptible to injury. I wonder if a limited ROM to prevent the extension would be better for the shoulder joint… such as a bench press on the floor with chains. Always learning.
That arch is ridiculous! I’m surprised she even got her butt to touch the bench.
Bench is ok, but I prefer an overhead press. Though, that can get mangled up pretty badly too.
I will always prefer OHP to bench.
Oh, lordy, the supportive equipment stuff, what a farce. When I competed in powerlifting in the early/mid 90′s I don’t think there was a raw division. My skinny self was stuffed into my black power suit, I was lifted off the ground from behind to get the shoulder straps up, and knees were wrapped till circulation was stopped. But by golly, I could “squat” 285 and “DL” 315 in the 132 lb division. I don’t even know what my 1 rep max was without equipment. So now that I don’t use any of that stuff, I have no basis for comparing strength now to strength then.
My nickname in that black squat/DL suit? Stovepipe! I kind of had the “Flat Stanley” thing going!!!
I sure don’t miss that stuff at all!! So at least you can say one good thing at least there are raw divisions now!!
Haha…oh you know you loved it
Far out. That bench video is scary.
She should be in the circus.
bit of a rant.
You can lift more with powerlifting form. Exagerrated arched back benching, wide stance squats, rounded upper back deadlifting.
its tempting when you know you can lift more. You can beat your Personal Record if you change your form (crossfit kipping pull ups lol).
why not only squat to parallel and lift 30lbs more?
cos you’re not really getting stronger and only moving more weight.
i agree that there needs to be a set criteria for powerlifting,however…
If you can move more weight within the set rules than the next guy, it means your stronger than them.
We all have our own definitions of strength, and powerlifting might have a different definition to our own.
Agreed.
Then IPF is the federation for you. They have the least ammount of gear and they require you to go below paralell. The International Powerlifting Federation is the international governing body for the sport of powerlifting as recognized by the General Association of International Sports Federations (GAISF) as well as the International Olympic Committee via inclusion into the World Games.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMIGc-PqsBc&feature=player_embedded (This is Powerlifting).
http://www.powerlifting-ipf.com/
Yesh…I know who the IPF is.
Agreed on the equipment and different feds’ different rules. Why can’t they agree on one set of rules? Well because then there’d be no reason for different feds, and some people would have to stop being President of a Federation
As to benching and your shoulders, the issue to my mind isn’t benching itself, but having a bench press stronger than your pull. If you can bench 100kg but can only overhead press and row 40kg, can’t do a single chinup and don’t deadlift at all, your shoulders will be at risk; if these lifts are in better proportion, your shoulders will be fine.
A common issue is rotator cuff impingement. The supraspinatus (one of four rotator cuff muscles) is a muscle that comes across the spine of your shoulderblade, and passes under your AC joint (where shoulderblade and collarbone join at top of shoulder) and then joins on to the top of your upper arm bone. When your shoulders roll forward, the space for the supraspinatus is reduced, and sometimes the underside of the AC joint will squash it; the inflammation causes pain, and stops you being able to raise your arm to the front or side.
If your pressing strength is greater than your pulling strength, your shoulders will tend to roll forward and close up. If you improve your pulling strength, they’ll open up. As well, pressing overhead opens up your shoulders. Right now, roll your shoulders forward, now try to raise your hand above your head – you can’t get it straight up without pulling your shoulders back. Thus, the overhead press is good for shoulder health, opening up the shoulders. As well, if you can press it you can bench it.
When training people, before I let anyone bench press they must be able to do 10 inverted rows with legs straight out and put 30kg (for women) or 40kg (for men) overhead, or half their bodyweight, whichever is the lesser. Nobody I’ve trained has developed impingement issues, and indeed one guy who had a previous AC dislocation has improved his range of motion – he’s never before been able to get his hands back enough to allow a back squat.
Interesting post. I would say my pull is much stronger than my press. So I don’t know where I stand there.
Good Read
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Very good post and excellent replies to it.
Out of all your complaints the bench one it probably the best. I never really understood the reasoning behind finding every way to reduce ROM, other then to beat the next guy. You shouldn’t care about the next guy, you should only be worried in beating yourself.
It’s because that’s the “rule” of powerlifting…it’s only about weight lifted. But the rules for that should be less bendable.
Thought i was the only one that hated the bench press…
Weighted pushups i like very much though.
You certainly are not.
Sounds like from your last sentence that you should perform more at Olympic lifts rather than powerlifting (but from further in your article it sounds like you do Oly’s anyway). Fast and explosive to me isn’t dead lifting. Fast and explosive is power cleans and snatches.
My issue with powerlifting, is the term POWER. Universally power is work done over time. Same work over less time = more power. more work over same time = more power. Powerlifting only exercises the more work side of that equation. Watching people work the ‘time under tension’ to extreme levels in the squat, bench and dead lift to lift a few kilos more. Olympic lift is heavy weights in as little time as possible generating maximum power. Olympic lifts require more athleticism, and damn do they look awesome when performed.
Powerlifting is a neat exhibition; Olympic lifting is a sport.
I do some practicing with the Oly lifts, though I’m not 100% confident in my form enough to start competing. It’s a work in progress, and they are technical lifts. I would love to compete in Oly lifting, but I still have time to work on several things and get stronger before I decide if I want to go in an official direction.
And I agree 110% with your second paragraph and last statement. Olympic lifting should be called Powerlifting. No one can beat the explosive power it takes to lift 400 lbs. off the ground and over your head.
If you ain’t cheating, you ain’t trying
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I agree with you to an extent, but I don’t think geared lifting is all bad. It takes technical skill to lift a supermaximal weight. My boyfriend gets a few hundred pounds out of his gear on his squat and bench, and that blows my mind. I think about how it feels to unrack a weight that’s a hundred pounds over what I can lift, and I can’t imagine having the balls to try to lift it, even with all the supportive equipment. Have you ever seen someone fail a geared lift? Scary.
Anyway, he gets that PL isn’t really a “legitimate” sport, as you pointed out. But he puts a lot of himself — time, money, energy — into his training, and I respect that. The guys (and girls) who do PL are weekend warriors — nobody’s out there making a career of it. They do it because they like it. Being competitive in PL is a goal far more realistic than being competitive in O-lifting unless you started learning the lifts around the time you started walking haha. Just do what you like and have fun
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And remember that it’s an option not to compete in anything at all. I’ve considered trying a physique show or PL meet, but after some consideration I realized that I’m perfectly happy just being an above-average gym rat and trying to get huge with a goal of personal satisfaction. If I change my mind later, the competitions will always be there!
Yeah, I can see where you’re coming from. But to me personally, it just isn’t something I’m interested in watching.
As for the Olympic lifting…I know of successful Olympic lifters that learned later on. It’s all about what kind of work you put into it.
Most Olympic lifters who do not compete professionally don’t make money with it either, but I think it’s more of an exciting sport than powerlifting. Like you said, powerlifters compete just because they love it…and that’s fine!
The thing is with me, I’m a very competitive person and I love to compete, just for the hell of it. I’m not the kind of person who will compete year-round, but I like to do some competitions every year to keep things interesting and to challenge myself.
Yeah, it’s terminally boring for the audience haha.
And I guess it depends on how you term “competitive”. I’m sure you could do fine within Canada.
You are wise way beyond your years. I saw you lift at the 100% raw meet and was very impressed. Excellent blog, best of luck in the future.
Hey Craig!! I apologize if I met you and don’t remember you, hah. But thank you!
no worries, we didn’t meet. I was was helping Barry with some spotting/loading but didn’t spot/load your flights. I found your blog via a google+ ‘spark’ search for “powerlifting” I thought you looked familiar so I read a bunch of your posts. I’m planning on lifting at Barry’s meet in September so if you’re lifting there, I’ll say hello.
“I want to be a powerlifter AND be athletic. I want to have good levels of overall fitness, instead of only focusing on one thing. I want to be fast, explosive, strong, and look good. To achieve this, I have to keep my training varied.”
It sounds like you should try CrossFit. I’m being serious.
No. I can achieve what I want better without Crossfit.
The only two sports which meet the above criteria are CrossFit and maybe also strongman,
I didn’t say I wanted to compete in a particular sport for it. I said that’s what I want to be.
Before I comment: I’m not trying to be hostile or anything. The fact that you exist and let the internet know about it is good for my beleaguered faith in humanity. (I know it sounds weird, but your last post actually helped with that.) That said:
Yes, the bench press widely overrated among, well, the curl and bench crowd, but it doesn’t suck as an exercise just because it’s the only exercise retards know how to do, or because some Russian chick found a way to cheat at it. (because Russian chicks will always find a way to cheat at any athletic event, No offense meant, under the kind of pressure they’re under I’d try to cheat too.) A two inch ROM bench in a shirt may not be a that great for building strength, but a more normal bench press is one of the best builders of pressing power. It sure has done a hell of a lot more for my overhead pressing ability than actually overhead pressing, even though I press three times as often as I bench. Yes, benching can cause shoulder problems, but not any more than squatting causes knee problems, and most issues can be averted by doing enough back work and overhead work to balance the shoulder.
And deadlifting with a rounded back really isn’t that dangerous (or at least is well worth the minimal risk) if you’re strong and experienced enough. As a consequence of years of extremely heavy deadlifting with a rounded back I’m confident that my back is strong enough to survive virtually anything I throw at it and in any position, not just the perfect arched position advocated by personal trainers and bodybuilders. I applaud the girl in the video for having the guts to go for it, and wish I knew any women in real life who would be willing to try to lift even half their bodyweight, much less two times.
I concur with all of those points, Nathan.
Also, regarding inconsistent or biased judging, if you don’t like the judging of one particular powerlifting federation, you can compete in any of the myriad other feds in existence.
Lastly, I don’t see why supportive equipment would be one of the reasons that you chose to stop competing in PL when there is a raw division in every fed except WABDL, along with at least one or two feds which solely allow raw lifting.
IMHO, overhead pressing will make you better at overhead pressing. I don’t know many (if any at all) Olympic lifters who do a lot of bench pressing. It’s not a terrible exercise, it just isn’t my favorite, and I think competitively speaking, it’s nonsense. (JMO)
You don’t have to have a perfect arch, but if it’s rounded enough that you could herniate something, you need to start being a little bit smarter about your pulls. I applaud her too, as it was a big weight for her size, definitely. But if she blows a disc I guarantee she won’t deadlift like that anymore.
@Max: I never said that geared lifting was why I “chose not to compete”. Actually, this post wasn’t even about that, really. It was more me saying what I dislike about powerlifting.
And no offense, because you have made some really great progress over the years, but I’m not surprised you would agree with him about the point on form, given your past videos that went viral. You were known for your lifting form.
I’m just saying.
LOL @ prefacing something which you intend to be offensive with “no offense”.
You should tell powerlifting legends like Bob Peoples, Vince Anello, and Konstantin Konstantinovs, just to name a few, that they’re doing it wrong when they round their back while they deadlift.
If I had a dime for every time someone who hasn’t done anything, or next to nothing, dredge up my infamous videos from many years ago, I would be quite a wealthy man.
Oh, and that deadlift video you posted showed a girl hitching/ramping, NOT rounding her back. The former is not allowed in powerlifting competition, while the latter is condemned by the armchair quarterbacks on the internet.
I’d say I’ve done plenty, given my training experience. I have every right to bring up your infamous videos if I want to. I didn’t intend it to be offensive, I was making a simple statement.
I mostly feel the same way about powerlifting. I’m starting to lift weights (especially in deadlift) which I feel are close to my body’s maximum possible without gear.The reason why I’m not hell bent on competing again is because my last meet was HARD. My deadlift was so hard that it actually scared me. I’m actually worried about doing some permanent damage to my body so I’m not in a hurry to lift the most I possibly can in one afternoon. When you’re lifting your max your body almost always goes into “anyway I can get this weight up” form mode which leads to back rounding (not on purpose) and good morning squats. Having said all that, I would not rule out competing again, I just don’t know if I have the motivation to train for it.
I am against gear. I think it lets people handle weights that their body is not made to handle and therefore directly increases the risk of injury. Not only that, I see people who have barely weight trained seriously for a full year getting in the gear. Talk about a walking accident :-/
I don’t agree with point #3 though, mostly because my benching is going rather good. Haha! I think I balance my training well enough so that I don’t experience the problems you speak of.
Agreed. When I compete again, I want to be lifting weights in the meet that I’m pretty sure I can get. While that may take out some of the thrill of the meet, I would much rather lift knowing that I’m at less of a risk of doing some permanent damage to my body.
When I did a 260 lb. box squat, I was fairly certain that I could have gotten at leas 270. But because I value my form and correct lifting over just lifting in whatever way possible, I didn’t. I prefer to build up slowly and safely than to jump in with both feet and possibly hurt myself.
Second point also agreed with. It’s like kids who never even went on starting strength just automatically jumped into gear. Terrible.
And like I said in some posts above…if it works for you, awesome! I still do *some* benching, but I just think that as a competitive lift it’s silly.
“Agreed. When I compete again, I want to be lifting weights in the meet that I’m pretty sure I can get. While that may take out some of the thrill of the meet, I would much rather lift knowing that I’m at less of a risk of doing some permanent damage to my body.”
Have you ever heard the saying: “No risk, no reward”? That’s why I’m highly ranked with various powerlifting records, and other people criticize from the sidelines, overly concerned about potential injuries.
I couldn’t care less about your records. Go flaunt to someone else and stay off my blog, because you’ve honestly never posted anything other than your elitist and egotistical attitude in every one of your comments.
Leave my decisions to me, and if you don’t like them, then deal with it.
And if people are lifting just to get records, that’s relevant.
If people are lifting for looks, performance, or health, then the risk of injury becomes more relevant. Of course, if injury prevents your entering a competition, or means that you DON’T set a record, then I guess the injury was relevant. Hmmm…
It’s almost as if each individual had to use their own judgment about whether a particular potential risk was worth it for the potential rewards. Individuals judging things for themselves based on their own goals? Amazing idea.
Frankl is a beast.
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Thanks for another great blog post, Christine! I love that first deadlift video – I’m ready to go tear some shit up now!
yes! someone who cares about shoulder health!! I mean I still bench.. but with care. (wide grip most things i’m not so keen on.)
I can’t handle all the dangerous goings on in the gym. i just want to tell these beef cakes- dude it makes you look stupid when your entire body comes off the bench when you’re lifting, not badass. get your form right AND lift that heavy weight and then i’ll be impressed!
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